018 – Kelli Interviews Outspoken Health & Fitness Coach Jerry Kuykendall
Interview with Health & Fitness Coach Jerry Kuykendall
Join Kelli and Jerry Kuykendall, Health & Fitness Coach, as they discuss Jerry’s journey in integrating his childhood “fight” mode with inner zen through the practice of yoga which ultimately led to him being the outspoken health/lifestyle/fitness coach that he is now. Jerry speaks openly about the gains and losses (a career and a parent!!) from speaking out about his beliefs, and they get into how to use your core values and deficient needs to generate the necessary motivation to do the things you want to do!
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Kevin Russell 0:16
Welcome to radical enlightenment,
Kelli Russell 0:18
your springboard into releasing resistance expanding awareness and elevating consciousness
Kevin Russell 0:24
with Kevin and Kelli Russell. Today, Kelly is joined by health and fitness coach Jerry Kuykendall is they discussed Jerry’s journey in integrating his childhood fight mode with inner Zen, through the practice of yoga, which ultimately led him to being the outspoken health lifestyle and fitness coach that he is today. Jerry speaks openly about the gains and losses, including a career and a relationship with a parent from speaking out about his beliefs. And to get into how to use your core values and efficient needs to generate the necessary motivation to do the things you really want to do in life. You’ll definitely want to stick around for the end of this one. And now on today’s episode,
Kelli Russell 1:05
hello. Welcome to radical enlightenment podcast. I have with me, Jerry Kuykendall today. And Jerry is a health and fitness coach that I have followed for a little bit of time now, especially through quarantine. And you posted so many things that sparked interest that showed bravery that was really intelligent, and it felt like he really truly cared. And I had this opportunity to interview you today. And I was so excited that you said yes. So Introduce yourself.
Jerry Kuykendall 1:39
Thank you, Kelly. And I hope you’re half as excited as I am. So likewise, I’ve been following you for a while as well. And very inspired by by the way you show up to the world and you know your your energy, and you’re just warm, accepting way about you and a guy like me, who can get pretty intense. It’s very nice to be influenced by someone like yourself. My name is Jerry Kuykendall. And I’m just great grateful to be here and, and have a wonderful conversation with utility. And I’m very much looking forward to it.
Kelli Russell 2:11
Me too. And it started, I think I was posting something that had to do with yoga. And I’ve been a yoga teacher since 2009. In addition to being a subconscious change facilitator and stuff, and I know that you and I both have a lot of crossover work that we do when you posted on there, and you said, You know what, I started my whole journey with yoga. And I said, Would you be willing to talk to me about your journey, and maybe we can share that with other people. So I’d love to hear how yoga started at all. And I’d like to see how that’s taken you into where you’re at now. And what you decide to focus your life on.
Jerry Kuykendall 2:49
Yeah, yeah. So yeah, just little backstory is, you know, life happens to us all. And we form we form our personality and how we express our personality through life. And for me, I was at a stage of my life where I was very much in my ego and very much guarded in life. So everything was was a threat, you know, to, I guess, to exaggerate everything, but, you know, I saw threatened a lot of situations that weren’t really threatening. And so what that obviously does to someone’s idea of what to do in the gym, but also how the body recovers and how the body moves and, and how free you are in your movement. I was I was heavy into powerlifting at the time. And so it was very much you know, I’m five foot 7, 150 pounds now, but then I was like, 190, and just wanting to get bigger and stronger, right? It’s like, Dude, you’re always gonna be five, seven, that’s never gonna change. And you just love being five, seven. And you
Kelli Russell 3:47
have something happened in your past where like you were picked on or something and you’re like, I need to be big and strong to prove myself.
Jerry Kuykendall 3:53
Oh, yeah. So I grew up. You know, I was the prototypical heavy kid back back when there wasn’t a lot of them around in school. You know, every year in class, I was the chunkiest kid in class. And we had that Presidential Fitness award, you know, you know, every year and, and you know, every year was like, traumatic for me, because I you know, I wasn’t doing the pull ups and I wasn’t doing the situps and I wasn’t doing any push ups and I wasn’t climbing any rope.
Kelli Russell 4:18
Like climbing that rope. I remember that. Yeah. And
Jerry Kuykendall 4:21
I think they’ve taken it away since then, which I got a problem with, but we’ll talk about it later. Yeah. So anyway, obviously, there was a self image form there, right on top of the home environment. My mother left when I was like seven years old. And she was a stay at home mom and and, and so I was very close to her. And then she kind of just point blank me one day and was just like, hey, I’m moving to California. And so that really set the seed for my view of the world. Why I saw so many things as a threat Why was so protective? And I was I’m a fighter. I’m not a fighter. So you could just come up to me with a very innocent statement. I mean, he was a little kid, 1011 years old, with very innocent thing to say And I would perceive that as an attack, and I would just unleash on you. And so that strategy took me through life for quite a long time, you can imagine how that played out not very well. And so. So I found myself in a situation where I was, I was doing things in the gym that were not very productive to feeling good. But they were good for putting on strength and muscle mass. And so I became very immobile. A lot of that was in the psyche. And a lot of that was in you know, somatic storage and, and also my training regimen. So all that combined. And what actually got me to try yoga was I was on a fishing trip with my father. And this was my annual fishing trip. This was the thing I looked forward to every year. And what I know now was, this was my one time, every year that I could go and experience some Zen, right, some flow, some peace, some balance, just melting into the present. And but I didn’t know that at the time, it was just fishing, and I felt good when I went fishing. So I was on this. And as you can imagine, anybody that has one week a year to find that, that presence, that balance, that centered state, you know, the other 52 weeks, 51 weeks of the year, probably not very fruitful. And that was me, that was totally me. So 51 weeks of the year, I’m miserable and angry. And then for one week out of the year, I decompress for five days, and for two days, I feel good. That was on like day seven of this seven day fishing trip and, and I’m watching my father fish and, and I must have got into some deep meditative state without knowing it. Because you know, when you’re in meditation, how you get these downloads, right? Yeah. And, and I did, and I got a download that scared me. And the download was a word and the word was suicide. Oh, and it scared me. And I was like, whoa, what was that? Like? I’d never had any self-harm. And you know, to this day, I never had any self harm thoughts or anything like that. And so I went to boys, my father thinking anything on here, I go into a primitive. Am I having a premonition? Yeah. And at that time, I’m not thinking anything about that stuff. I’d never I didn’t think there was anything afterlife, like it was just like, we’re here, we’re returned into dirt when we die. And so for me to even go, there was weird. I didn’t think much of it. And then so I go back, go back home. And, because I’m a powerlifter, I want to get stronger. And the thing keeping me from getting stronger is my mobility. So I want better mobility. So I sign up for a yoga class. And ironically enough, I was the only person that showed up to that first yoga class.
Kelli Russell 7:30
Wow, you got a private? Yeah,
Jerry Kuykendall 7:33
not even on purpose. I could tell. I could tell after about three or four or five of these sessions, with me being the only one showing up the poor yoga instructor was showing up seeing if I showed up. And if I showed up, you’d have the class. I didn’t know what it was. Hold on. I just figured, oh, she’s getting paid.
Kelli Russell 7:47
Oh, that’s awesome. Yeah.
Jerry Kuykendall 7:51
So the yoga immediately, like, almost instantly started changing everything about how I saw the world about how I felt in any conscious adjustments or changing my attunement to my environment, it just happened.
Kelli Russell 8:08
Why was that? How were why?
Jerry Kuykendall 8:12
Oh, yeah, well, I just, you know, for lack of a better term, like the Kundalini awakening, right, the energy zones being freed up releasing somatic storage, my chakra, right, just opening up. And, I was like, this is kind of like that down the river. I started doing some research and like, what is it what’s going on here? And then I got into some neuroscience around meditation and how yoga is really just like, you know, what we think of, of yoga in the United States is really just like part of a big yogic practice, which, you know, involves deep meditation. And, there’s a big purpose behind that. And that’s why it’s so important that you go to these specific poses, right? Like, you know, changing the position of the antenna and all this stuff. And I was like, wow, there’s a lot to this. And then that is what started my path of going from like this meathead, right? This is like, I’ve got to pretend like I’m not this little guy. Yeah. To really just being open to what is and being open to presents. Wow, and stillness, and essence, all these things that were like, in my mind before, like, woowoo airy fairy stuff, right? And so that was really like, what got me into yoga and the immediate impact that it had on me was I still to this day gives me chills when I think about it. Because I really think that saved my life, you know, as far as, I don’t mean like, actual physical life, but the life I was living at the time, if I was still living it, it’s not a life. Yeah, you know,
Kelli Russell 9:46
where are you in resistance to those changes because they’re so different or to your idea of that airy fairy type person and here you are enjoying it. Did you find there was kind of an interesting onboarding of that into who you thought Got your
Jerry Kuykendall 10:01
know, as I started. So, as I started, you know, trying to understand what was happening to me, I started coming across of a lot of, you know, like Buddhist philosophy and like our Vedic healing and, and that type of stuff. And the best way I can explain it was like, as I’m absorbing this information, it’s like I’m remembering it not learning it. Yeah. And of course, I’m half Asian. So maybe that has something to do with generate, maybe there’s something like way back, you know, or maybe I don’t know, maybe I’m a grandparent that, that that was really into this stuff. And that’s why it was it was so I was like a sponge. I was like a sponge, and it was just sinking in, and I was remembering stuff that, you know, I never had a great memory because I was always in fight or flight mode. Okay, all of a sudden, I started remembering everything I read and be able to apply it and, and people that, that I’ve known that have been in this circle for a long time, we’re still not putting dots together that are so easily connected. You know, it’s like, no, that goes. That’s, that’s what it is.
Kelli Russell 11:05
So can you give an example, as any example, strike you at about that? I find that interesting. Oh, about connecting the dots, there might have been so many that it just simulated but if anything stands out,
Jerry Kuykendall 11:18
again, it really in particular at this point is standing out, but but but it was just a constant. And the people that I was there, I was talking to one of my colleagues in the Czech Institute, because right after that, I stumbled across Paul check and then and then it was like, oh, and it was literally like two days later, I’m enrolling in his courses. Yeah.
Kelli Russell 11:42
So how can you explain to my audience who Paul check is or the Czech Institute and then how did you find yourself in those doors?
Jerry Kuykendall 11:51
Yeah, yeah. So Paul Chek is, is a holistic health practitioner. He kind of got his start in the health and fitness world. That’s how he branded himself. But at heart, he was always a therapeutic rehabilitation expert through Kinesiology.
Kelli Russell 12:12
Now I would say a philosopher life guide. Yeah. Star, star traveler. intergalactic being
Jerry Kuykendall 12:20
astral traveler. Yeah. And that’s where his love is right now isn’t it? Yeah. And so all that combined, he’s just an interesting cat. He’s super interesting. He’s not for everybody. I’ll readily admit that. And, but me being like an intense individual. And the one thing that I really realized was like, a gold nugget for me, was the whole dynamic between the ego and the spirit. And I remember, well, one of the concepts actually, that comes to mind you asked the question earlier, that some people were having a hard time, putting the dots together was, was the whole discernment of the ego and the spirit, right? I remember I was in like a group, it was a Facebook group post or something, we were going back and forth about it. And actually, I was watching people go back and forth. And it got the as these things kind of do in our world, they get a little bit Misty, and a little bit hypothetical, and you know, really nothing objective. And I remember I just commented, I was like, Well, the way I see it is the ego protects from harm, and the Spirit wants to expose where you’re vulnerable so that you can heal and grow. And it was just like, oh, yeah, that’s it. Right? I mean, there’s no solid explanation for it. But to a layman, you can explain that. And it makes sense. And, so for Paul, the attraction to Paul was the fact that even though he’s his very evolved human being, there’s no, there’s no pretense to him that, that he doesn’t have an ego. He readily says, I have an ego, I have a big you have a strong ego, and it gets me in trouble. And I was like, I can follow this guy because everyone else acts like they’re perfect. And I’m like, Yeah, right. And when you tell me, you’re enlightened, I’m going no, you’re not. Yeah. So and what got me into him, was actually I was in, actively checking out at work. I was a retail store manager working 5560 hours a week and just being like, there’s gotta be more to life than this, you know, and, and I was actively checking out and what I was doing paperwork. You know, and this is, this is like, how, how crafty I was about it is like, instead of doing like 10 minutes of paperwork every day, I would wait until the end of the week. So I could do an hour of paperwork. Because if I can do an hour of paperwork, I can sit and listen to a podcast. Got it. So I can actually do something to actively, you know, learn something. Yeah. At that time of my life was like how to get a bigger squat, how to get a bigger bed to get more of my deadlift. And so I was looking for For a podcast about powerlifting and, one of my favorite podcasts at the time was Barbell Shrugged with Mike Bledsoe. And so I just typed in Barbell Shrugged. And what popped up was an older podcast. And it’s it the title of it was holistic lifestyle coach. And I just stumbled across the term holistic. And I was like, what holistic, holistic lifestyle coach what? Well, maybe they’ll answer my question exactly what is holistic mean? I clicked on that podcast, and it was like, an hour and a half, two hours, whatever the podcast was. And the whole time I just didn’t know like, because this guy’s literally explaining everything that was going on within me. I had no idea what it was all I know was it was real, and it was happening. And so that was the attraction to Paul. And that’s when I, I was like, I don’t care. He mentioned on this podcast, he’s got some coaching program, but like, I’m gonna do with it. I’m gonna figure out how to get there. And I just boom, I clicked and bought the first class, and I haven’t looked back since.
Kelli Russell 15:56
How long did it take you from the time he listened to that podcast to enrolling in his program?
Jerry Kuykendall 16:01
I honestly I want to say two days. Okay,
Kelli Russell 16:03
you’re ready. I was speaking your language. He was, you know, hitting all the dots. And you’re like, ding, ding, ding.
Jerry Kuykendall 16:09
Yeah, exactly. It’s like, and I remember. So I was, I was I don’t know, about halfway through the course. And I started talking to my wife about the course. Well, yeah, I forgot that I hadn’t told my wife that I enrolled in. Oh, yeah. So that’s, like, I guess pertinent information, right? Where we mentioned the trauma and the stress and the, you know, the monkey, my, that’s my excuse. And so I’m talking about, she’s like, what, what are you doing? And I was like, Oh, I enrolled in this holistic lifestyle coaching class. And she’s like, What the hell is that? And I was like, I tried to explain it. I was like, it was just something I’m attracted to. And she’s
Kelli Russell 16:42
like, like, my whole life is about to change and yours with it. Yeah.
Jerry Kuykendall 16:45
I just know it. Yeah. And so she says, Well, what the hell you can do with that? Yeah, I looked at her like this. And I was like, I don’t know, but I can’t not do it. And she’s just, she’s knows me. She rolls. Well, here we are, you know, five years later. And it’s still just my interest. And my passion just keeps ramping every day, every client every, every client session teaches me something and gives me something new that I can deliver to someone else. And myself. You know, I learned just as much from working with these people. Is they learned from me, if not more. Do you do this full time now? Yeah. Oh, yeah. This is my thing. I’ve been away from the grocery store for two years. That’s what I was gonna ask. Yeah, yeah. Two years. And, you know, you want to talk about fate and signs and, and whatnot. And, and, you know, you’re talking to a guy who hadn’t believed in that stuff up until, you know, a few years ago, but on the day, that on the day before I was going to the day before my last day, I’m going to work. And I go through this green light in the intersection, just half in a day’s boom, I get T boned by somebody running a red light. And so I go to work, I’m concussed. I don’t even remember that day at work. And I asked my wife, I was like, What are you think that means? Do I need more awareness? Don’t you slow down? And she goes, No, you just need to stop going to the grocery store to get your paycheck. I was like, Oh, the next day I was put on indefinite suspension and terminated for, in part, talking about COVID In my opinion, about COVID at the store, even though being a grocery store manager at the time, you had you were masked police. So COVID was ruling our day. Because I had a dissenting opinion about COVID. And I wasn’t shy about it. I didn’t share it on the sales floor, didn’t share it with customers, but staff knew and it got to the wrong people. Right that disagreed with me. And of course, there’s never a face to face confrontation. Right? So they go behind my back and report. And because that was an instant, anti-woke comment. You’re gone 21 years working for them. 15 years managing a store. And they just cut me loose like I didn’t exist, because some somebody who’d been at the store for about a year turned me in.
Kelli Russell 19:01
How do they not risk lawsuit by you for unfair termination,
Jerry Kuykendall 19:06
the state of Montana, actually the way it works, because I did hire a lawyer. And and that lawyer got me after 21 years of service, that lawyer got me two months of severance pay after 22 months.
Kelli Russell 19:18
So it’s like, right to hire right to fire so they can let you go for any
Jerry Kuykendall 19:23
reason. If you are the manager, so if I was an assistant manager in the great thing about the state of Montana is you’re pretty much protected like to the tee unless you are the manager or the owner. At that point, you are all they have to say and what the lawyer told me this, he said according to Montana State law, all they have to give a reason for termination is that they no longer have faith in your ability to do the job. And that’s exactly what it said on my termination report verbatim, which ironically, wow. Yeah, over the past five years while I was going through this growth journey, I had been asked to put in for district I entered your job in three corporate buyer jobs. And then all of a sudden they lost faith in my ability to
Kelli Russell 20:04
do my job, it makes no sense. Well, that’s made me want to shut
Jerry Kuykendall 20:07
my mouth when they should have never had that faith anyway, they’ve known me.
Kelli Russell 20:11
So one of the things I wanted to talk to you about, which makes perfect sense now. And the reason that I started getting interested in you was your ability to speak truth in the face of pharmaceutical companies, what the government was saying, calling out inconsistencies that you were seeing, like, why, why is nobody talking about healthy eating health protocols, it’s all about, you know, getting the jab instead of building your body from the inside out. And I was really just like, blown away by your bravery. And I know that can mean that you are kicked off of social media that you lose clients that you receive angry outbursts that, you know, all those reasons. And I was afraid to do those things. And in fact, I had a couple of posts early on, that I received such a backlash about that I withdrew because I was thinking, you know, I’m here to inspire and enlighten and enliven people, and to receive that harmful backlash. I’m like, that’s not my intention. So I pull it. But you were always one of those people that I admired, that had the strength to speak what you believe to be true, despite the consequences. So I’d love to hear more about what you gained from that, and what that cost you? And how, how you were able to be brave enough to do that.
Jerry Kuykendall 21:38
Yeah. So I’ll start with the last part of that question first. And that was, I really don’t think knowing my personality, knowing my recent history, what got me into being a full time coach, and, and my field of study, all those culminated into there’s no other way, but to say the actual truth. And you know, I didn’t have this, this large client list when I got out, right, I was kicked out of my ass. I didn’t have this large following, I still have a large following. But what following I’ve gained has been, has been like minded people. And so it was it wasn’t that hard to be that brave about it at the time now since then,
Kelli Russell 22:20
is it because you had already lost, you know, so much in your professional life? You lost everything. So you’re like, eff it, you know, correct in
Jerry Kuykendall 22:28
the canceled culture directly affected me first? Yeah. You know, I got completely betrayed by my district manager, I got completely betrayed by my CEO, my vice president. Like they terminated me, they, they literally had some HR gal that had been there for two months, come and do it. My district managers, like a church mouse. And I call them out. I was like, I don’t know how you sleep at night, you knew all this shit was going on? You knew it. Like I did not keep any of this a secret from you. Yeah. And he just sat there. And it’s so so it, it affected me directly to the point to where it’s like, I’m a fighter. You know, and it’s some point, at some point, you just got to say, What am I risking? What am I gaining, and what you’re risking? At that time? Like, I didn’t have many clients to lose. And I’ve since lost clients over it. And my father and I don’t even talk anymore. He called me an irresponsible parent for not vaccinating my children. Well, don’t be it’s, you know, what’s supposed to happen is what happens and when you live the truth, then what happens is what’s right for you. And if you’re not living the truth, the things that happen, are probably not right for you. Yeah. So. So yeah, that, you know, what was being at risk was wasn’t a lot at the time as far as building my coaching career. And but what the thing that really drove me anytime I thought about, because I live in a very liberal town, and not to get political, because I don’t, I don’t draw political lines. This is a mindset in my opinion, you know. And so I knew that like the local people would start treating me different, which they did. I coached football for my son’s football through his third, fourth, fifth and sixth grade years. And, those parents we got along great, they loved me, they came up with the name coach Jerry. And then all of a sudden, they wouldn’t talk to me anymore. I was just at a football scrimmage a couple of weeks ago, and there’s a parent that I always go along with, and I saw him and I was like, Hey, Rob, how’s it going? And he, he was sitting in the bleachers ahead of me and he turned around to see who it was, and then he turned right back around. So but at the end of the day, it’s like, either you’re believing a lie, or you’re living a lie and I can’t fault you for your opinion of me based on the lie you’re living or believing and at the same time, I’m not gonna let that take any rubber off of my tires either. And so so as far as what I gained, was the ability to look my children in the eyes and know that if anything, anything goes really sideways. As with all of this, they will know that their dad did everything he could within his power, to speak the truth and to share the truth. And at the end of the day, that’s really all that matters, anything that falls to the wayside. financially. It’s just stuff. It’s just. And so it’s the values thing. It’s all about values. It’s not about what we want. It’s about what we value in life.
Kelli Russell 25:22
And what are your top three values? Ooh,
Jerry Kuykendall 25:25
my top three values? Well, we can go deeper, we can go superficial, but like, so obviously, my family
Unknown Speaker 25:34
health and my connection to the world. And
Jerry Kuykendall 25:41
how you show up to each of those has got its own set of core values. And so
Kelli Russell 25:45
with this truth, the primary, you know, a primary value within all of
Jerry Kuykendall 25:50
those. Yes, yes, absolutely. So be like, if you’re, if so with your own personal health, right? If you’re not being honest with about with yourself about the choices you’re making, and the consequences of those choices, if you don’t like where you’re at, look carefully at what you’re choosing, right. And so truth always weaves its way through all of that, and how I show up to the world if I show up to this podcast in a disingenuous manner. If I think Kelly’s audience is gonna like this version of Jerry, better than that version of truth. Right? I am not showing up to the world in a genuine manner. And I am not doing your audience a favor, I’m not doing you a favor. I’m not doing myself any favors. I’m trying to guess and make assumptions about what they want. Same with my family. And so truth and tied into truth is sovereignty and tightened sovereignty is your freedom. Right? Yeah. And those are all very huge core values for me. layered underneath those, those initial umbrella core values. Those are tied into every single one.
Kelli Russell 26:48
It has come at a huge, huge loss. Because some of the things that people fear, a family member, a parent disowning me is one of the biggest ones within a family that could happen. Losing your career. Having those who’ve respected admire, you turn the other way. That’s, you know, in the caveman days, it’s like being shunned from the tribe, which could mean Yeah, our survival is at risk. It’s like now you could risk death. So it’s pretty much hit all those boxes, and yet, you still have the presence and the courage and the bravery, to risk all that.
Jerry Kuykendall 27:30
Yeah, fortunately. And quite honestly, like, if I would have, like, See, my dad would have been half ass about sticking around. Because after mom left, it was me and Dad, and yeah, Dad chose to deal with his loss through escape and detachment and intoxication. And so if he would have just been around half-ass, I might not have had the freedom and liberty to go explore life on my own. And because I was able to do that, I’ve always been the one that’s been like, by the time a teacher told me something, right? Or an adult told me something my life experience might have said otherwise. And so I’ve always been that one that’s been like, Are you sure? Like, I’m the guy in the meeting, when the CEO is up there giving a presentation, and everybody in the room knows it’s BS? Yeah, raising my hand. Right? Everybody’s like, Come on, dude. We got beers in 10 minutes. Like, why are you asking this question? So I would like to take credit for being this, like, you know, just brave soul. But I really think like, just my life story, my life history, doesn’t really leave many other options out there. You know, if I was always if I always felt safe and secure in life, then I wouldn’t have to question certain events, right as being this safe. Right? Now. Consequently, I was going the other way, everything was dangerous in my mind. But now, as soon as like CDC or Fauci, or who or you name it, they say, dot dot, dot, fill in the blanks, lie, lie, lie, lie, lie. I go, Wait a minute, we study coronaviruses pretty heavily, and German terrain theory. And nothing you say adds up. And so that’s kind of where it started on top of the recent experience I had. So it was this kind of this, this bonfire of events that really, there’s no other outcome, except for me to just do what I did.
Kelli Russell 29:17
I recently did a workshop in which we worked with a partner. And we needed the partner to share with us something that they felt was maybe their worst personality trait. And then we needed to turn that into a plus; a positive. And then they share with us what they think is their best personality trait. And then we reflect back. Well, this is what’s possible that’s even higher than what you could ever imagine doing with the thing that’s already great. Here’s how to skyrocket and as you started with your story as a little kid, and the way you would respond to people in that fight mode. This has reminded me of that because it actually became a superpower, coupled with your sense of presence, awareness, inner balance, and there’s a lot of heart there. I don’t know if that’s the more recent thing, but you have so much heart that’s with you. So you’ve been able to turn what may have been what you thought is like a worst trait into something that’s really amazing. And is actually a superpower. Yeah. And although it can meet with some hardships, because not everybody agrees. What’s really quite amazing to witness and I think that I hate to even put it out there. So hopefully, no harm or, you know, you won’t be murdered for your thoughts, because I think you can, I think you can do freaking amazing things in the world that, you know, with that power that that little kid had. Yeah, that’s why you’re able to do this stuff.
Jerry Kuykendall 30:57
Yeah, I agree. I agree. It’s, it’s just innate in me, you know, it is. And it’s just years of overexpressing, that superpower where it gets toxic. And you’re like, Oh, I gotta go the other way. Right. And you find that state of you know, unconditional acceptance, right? Maybe not quite unconditional love yet, but unconditional acceptance of what is. And that, like you said, opens the heart, right? Because the heart is what connects the upper and lower self, the higher and lower self. And when you’re stuck in either one, either you’re in the clouds all the time, right? Or you’re never grounded, you’re frantic. And so yeah, just living life, the universe, God, however, you want to turn that just gave me right, what I needed when I needed it. And I’ll be honest with you, I probably had way more opportunities earlier on in life that I could have capitalized on. But I was a little disintegrated at the time. So like, but whatever happened, and sometime in my late 30s, I got that opportunity. And, for whatever reason, I was ready, I was ready to accept it. And, you know, the way my brain works was like, Well, yeah, because COVID was coming, you know, the team, you know, and that’s kind of what I think team needed you like you, you got this life story, you got this personality, you’ve got this way about you. And you know, you’re best served doing these things.
Kelli Russell 32:19
So if we were being ultimately accepting of others, then we come against the trap of accepting other people’s viewpoints as truth for them. Oh, yeah. Versus we see the world in a different way. That is true for us. Yeah. And each person going through life with their VR goggles. And truly, they believe that that path is true. And hopefully, I mean, my question to them would be, are you choosing the worldview or the viewpoint that gives you the most sense of inner peace and joy, or contentment? And if it causes you fear, if it causes you pain? It’s probably not a good viewpoint to have. But also, I know, the truth is very subjective. And I’d say, I think where it gets tricky is like when you have power over others, because I’d love everybody to have their own viewpoint. And look at the world however you wish. And however, you want to look at the medical field and the government, but when we want to impose that power, and force other people to believe the same, I think that is where we get into trouble. Correct. But do you think you can truly accept other people’s viewpoints? Because I heard you say something like, the lie that they’re choosing to believe doesn’t sound very accepting.
Jerry Kuykendall 33:34
I can accept that they believe that? Yeah. I can accept that. They believe that like even people that, that don’t, didn’t do any research on the medication, and just were spoon-fed certain information, and they believe it. I can accept, like, I can even go in my brain and say, How did that happen? Right? Do I like it? No, do I condone it? No. Am I going to? Am I going to allow them to push that onto me? No. But I do accept that that’s what you believe. In other words, I’m not in this state of like, there’s no way that anybody could really believe that right? Yeah, I do. But doesn’t mean I accept their worldview. And I don’t accept the fact that they think that I need to do certain things because of their fear. Right? Or that I need to look at the same data set that they’re looking at, or the same information that’s been presented to them, and come to the same conclusion. They do. Right? Except that they believed a lie. Yes. I accept that they’re living life. Yes. I accept that they are actively choosing to not go into their pain, not go into what they’re resisting in life, and ask themselves why they’re resisting it and not see the benefit of like facing that pain facing that storm walking the coals. I can see how they get there. Because at the end of the day, that stuff isn’t easy. And it’s just much easier to stay in your comfort zone. And so except that they’re there. And I also have this in the back of my mind, that they’re just on their own path and their journey or their own mile marker in their journey. And maybe part of their journey is to be manipulated, lied to, and suffer really bad consequences because of it. And maybe that’s what’s going to take them snap and snap them out of it. And maybe they’ll remember something that Jerry said that really triggered them because of the way he said it. And maybe, just maybe they’ll look into it for themselves.
Kelli Russell 35:32
And you never know when that moment might be.
Jerry Kuykendall 35:35
No, because I don’t tell you is do you? Before I started my awakening, you told me something that was dissenting to the way I saw the world and I wasn’t very nice about it. Yeah. I still have that in me. And I tried to use it as a weapon like an arrow, right? Not a Moab. Right. And Mother of all bombs, like just, you know, use a targeted, you know,
Kelli Russell 35:59
to spark internal questioning that may lead to truth.
Jerry Kuykendall 36:04
Amen. Yes, exactly. hit the nail on the head right there. I just invite people to think I invite
Kelli Russell 36:11
I also, I recognize that they probably have the same opinion of those like us, that they think we’ve been spoon-fed information they wonder how we could possibly believe these things. So I take it, I take it with as much openness as I can. Yes, that, you know, people.
Yeah, I mean, yeah, that’s one of the things that I’m doing is stepping more into those times where I will be outwardly outspoken. And I will need to prepare in that way. So I’ll probably be asking you for some advice.
Jerry Kuykendall 36:55
block them or like one of my favorite things to do on tiktok. He’s like, Wait, like, I’ll go through there. And I’ll like, respond to the first 100 comments or whatever. And it doesn’t take long, it doesn’t take long. It’s very speedy. But it’s not like Facebook. But after that, I’ll give it a day or two. Right. And generally you go in there and any negative comments, or their attacks
Kelli Russell 37:26
have already been addressed by somebody else. Is that what you find? Yeah, because
Jerry Kuykendall 37:30
99% of the people that are commenting, you’re commenting in a positive manner? Yeah. And then so basically, it’s been handled at that. Yeah,
Kelli Russell 37:38
there you go. Yeah.
Jerry Kuykendall 37:39
So you’ll find out how much support you really do have. Yeah,
Kelli Russell 37:43
and with that, some things I would assume you don’t get support, and that’s okay. As long as I’m in alignment with it, and it feels necessary for me to share, then that’s what’s important.
Jerry Kuykendall 37:54
And if my motives are sound, you know, I mean, we’ve all done those, those things that we regret, and you know, yeah, I’ve made, I’ve made a lot of posts and anger and, you know, frustration, and they didn’t come out. They didn’t come out good. Now, if I do something that’s going to be what I call trollee. Like, you know, where it’s like, this is going to piss some people off, but I gotta say, Yeah, I try to put a comedic spin on it. Okay, almost like JP Sears does. Yes. He does. A little bit of humor in it. You know, if you can’t laugh at this on some levels, and
Kelli Russell 38:27
I’m sorry, yes. out a little satire.
Jerry Kuykendall 38:30
Yeah, exactly. Exactly. You know, if you think I’m a dumbass already, then I’m just gonna act kind of like dumb assay. Man, then, you know, whatever that explains it for you. Good job.
Kelli Russell 38:40
Right? Then that takes the wind out of their sails.
Jerry Kuykendall 38:44
It does. It does. And, you know, if you can find a way to and this is a concept I’ve adopted recently is, if you can find a way to just let them know. Like, it’s not about me against you. Right, we’re both against the liars. It’s just we disagree on who’s lying. Yes, here’s why I think those people are lying. Right now the people that I think are telling the truth, I’m open to the fact that they’re lying to me the whole time I’m open to that. My beliefs are very fluid and, and your beliefs should be able to you know, you should form a belief system that is open to evolving like science, like beliefs should be like science. And unfortunately, the way some of these people look at science is the same way they look at their beliefs, like set in stone. So I’ve adopted kind of this stance of just coming at them softer, not giving any ground. Right but just always thinking as you’re typing, always thinking, Alright, it’s not me against this person. Yeah, this person actually has the same values I do to some level. Yeah, I care about the well being of the populace. I care about my own personal safety. I care about the safety of my family. We just disagree fundamentally on the root cause of that. And the net effect of doing this or doing that. And that’s where everything lies. And so it boils down to, we’re actually calling each other stupid for looking into it, and forming an opinion based with based on inclusion.
Kelli Russell 40:19
So the core values may be very similar, the way you’ve come up to the conclusion is different. But when you can see them as a brother or sister, it takes the bite out of that. And it’s a united polarity that you can then have more compassion and understanding for when you share information. Yes, and
Jerry Kuykendall 40:40
I really think that for some reason, if you weren’t scared, that unsettles them. Yeah, it’s really to me ironic, you know, whereas people that are more apt to take personal accountability for their situation. They appreciate that approach a lot more. Yeah, they don’t want to be unsettled. Whereas some people, you know, as you know, is default we’ve known in life is chaos, the only thing that makes us feel comfortable is chaos. And so I think that’s where a lot of these people are at, which means that there’s a huge opportunity for them to heal, and huge opportunity for them to evolve. And I’m not the guy to tell you, you need to evolve right now. You need to heal right now. You know,
Kelli Russell 41:28
but you’re kind of that guy.
Jerry Kuykendall 41:29
Yeah, yeah. Well, you realize that you’re ready to evolve.
Kelli Russell 41:34
You’re holding up the sign you’re like, yeah, exactly. Exactly. Evolving here.
Jerry Kuykendall 41:40
Yeah, exactly, exactly.
Kelli Russell 41:41
I just want to touch before we say goodbye, I want to take it back to the health stuff. Because I think something that you’re really good at I listened to one of your I think he did a Facebook Live on it about how to get motivated, and how to get self motivated when you’re not really feeling it. But it’s tapping into those core values, to determine the why behind what you want to do it so that you can actually do the darn thing. And I work with people in my business every day who struggle with that. It’s like, I want this desired outcome. I’ve laid out my goals. I’m just finding it hard to take those action steps on board. Yeah, yeah. So I don’t want to spend too much time on it. But if you could just take the information, distill it down. Yeah. What are the key ways that you help people find that inner motivation to do the thing that they’ve already pinpointed? That they want to do? Yes,
Jerry Kuykendall 42:43
yes. So succinctly, what we do is we just tie it with their wants into their values. And so when you say I want this, right, it’s like, why do you want that? Right? And they’ll tell you why you want it. And then I’ll ask them, What value does that tie into? Like, sometimes? Will it depend on the case, sometimes we’ll actually even write it down. Let’s write down your wants. Write down your purpose, your why and all that, and your core values?
Kelli Russell 43:05
And how do you help people find core values? Because sometimes people are like, I have all these ideas out there. But I don’t really truly know. What are my top three? Yeah, it’s so it’s a system.
Jerry Kuykendall 43:13
Okay, first thing we do is we figure out their personality and from their personality, they understand themselves that gives them power that gives them understanding now, these things that were your superpowers you thought was What’s wrong with you, because maybe your superpower is the ability to detach from a situation, see it for what it is, and see the best in everybody. But somebody is telling you that you need to be more organized and that you need to hold people, you know, to a strict standard, right? And you’re thinking, oh, gosh, I should. So that’s one example. But we get down so they’re empowered, knowing who they are. So there’s no there’s nothing wrong with you, you’re just you. And either you’re integrated or you’re disintegrated, you’re either over-expressing or under-expressing aspects of yourself that make you balanced.
Kelli Russell 43:51
I love how this conversation is all tying in. Yes, Jerry as a little boy who was probably overexpressing during that fight Yeah, balanced with yoga Jerry and all this information that was coming in. And so you became integrated in the way that you can be and express knowledge and share with others. Yeah, so
Jerry Kuykendall 44:12
absolutely. And my direct path to integration is through another personality type that expresses love like they’re dangerous over expressing love so for me to get into that conditional, you know, unconditional love phase or unconditional acceptance and more, more higher state of Love opens up my heart. So yeah, it was life’s events that happened, and then from there, we determined, you know, your inventory of needs and what’s being met and what isn’t being met. And then from there, we got an integrated person that’s fully in tune with their needs. And so from there, we formed their purpose, which is why we all How do you want to how do you want to show up for yourself? How do you want to show up for your tribe and how do you want to show up for the world? And then from there, then we craft core values, and we say, Does your purpose to match your needs set? In other words, if I’m over-expressing a certain need, like a need that workout, all I do is work out, and I never talked to my wife. And then you say, Well, I want to own a gym. And you know, I want to have the biggest gym in Minneapolis and blah, blah, blah, it’s like, okay, what are you going to talk to your wife? Oh, oh, oh, she could be she could do billing. Right, so those all got to match. And then once they all match, then they really feel tied into their vision in their purpose, then we can really start itemizing core values. And we usually start the lowest hanging through whatever needs or whatever needs are completely unmet at the time to completely under-expressed, we start with that, like foam core values around that. And if they don’t have any, say, is there anything that you think might benefit that you could take from this exercise that you’re over expressing and put it into a little relationship connection. And then from there, so we’ve got like the succinct ones, and then we go more general. So it’s like, you know, Punctuality is a core value of mine, integrity is a core value of mine. The Four Agreements always seem to make it for everybody. And because that’s, you know, those are solid for everyone. But it’s a very fluid process. And the thing I think about core values is that, that you have to be in touch with me, people can only handle really focusing on a several at a time. If you’re doing the other ones unconsciously, like you don’t need to be in touch with it every single day. But the ones that you’re currently under expressing and out of touch with, let’s maybe make it a daily habit to set an intention in the morning, reflect in the evening on how you honor those intentions. And then so that those become unconscious. And then there will be a day at some point where you don’t have to reference, you know, the Word document that you made and saved on your phone as a screensaver. So you see those core values every day, or you don’t have to reference that piece of art that you made, you know, that was yours and personalized, you got intimate with. And it’s hanging on your wall like pressing you to supply your start walking by it. And you won’t even pay attention to it. And that’s when they become innate within you. And so that’s pretty much how we get down to it. And so let me a little different.
Kelli Russell 47:13
Put this to an example. So let’s say that there’s somebody who has, they have a business goal, but then the need that’s missing in their life is their connection with their wife. Yeah. So since that’s the one that’s lacking, you would have them decide, okay, what would be a touch point each day where you can connect with your wife. And it might be like, I’m going to have coffee with her every morning before we start the work day or after we have dinner. I’m just going to hang out with her on the couch. And we’re going to talk about how our day went. I’m going to touch your thigh maybe rub her neck a little bit or and then after a while that becomes so habitual that that need will then minimize because now the connection with the wife is going good. It’s no longer a deficit. Yes. And then we can get into the nitty gritty of now. Would you be doing those in conjunction? Like I’m building my business? And I’m working that deficit? Or do you focus on the deficit first?
Jerry Kuykendall 48:06
So yeah, it’s both at once. So okay, basically, what would you take that person? And I’d say, why? Why are we why are we neglecting? Or under-expressing our need for romantic connection? Yeah, it ties into earning, well, what value does earning honor? Oh, my value to provide? asked, Can you provide now, right? And if the answer is no, it’s like, okay, well, what connection are you making with your wife around that discussion? Right. And so what would that look like that as far as talking to the wife and being like, hey, it for a short period of time, I’ve got a plan. I’m going to be working this many hours per week, but we’re going to carve out this day, Sunday, right? And that’s what we’re going to do. So it’s not like, he’s not going to go from a four out of 10 of fulfillment in the romantic connection need, right? But maybe we can get up to a six right into the wife that might feel like wow, he’s trying, right. And so there’s, that’s an investment that’s going to pay off in the long run. And, I like to habit stack you like you just mentioned couple of great examples. And one of the most effective ones is a lot of these people that are really just tied into their, into their earning potential. They don’t have much of an exercise routine. And so if people that don’t have an exercise routine, they always know usually, we start off with some sort of yoga, tai chi zone exercises are walking, slow walking, walking, meditation, and, um, and if we can get the wife out there with them. Then while you’re doing that, let’s plan something fun for the weekend. Whether it be going to a movie, whether it be you know, going shopping, because that’s what the wife likes to do. Maybe you just don’t have time to go anywhere and you can catch a Netflix series that you both can get. And as much as I hate binge watching Netflix, if you guys can get tied into this Hear us together, right now there’s this, this benefit this reward of a series you’re both into, and pop some organic popcorn and put some ghee on it and enjoy it. And then that’s proof of concept. So now you’ve got this positive feedback loop of what you’ve done well, it really was enjoyable, I got to we got to sit down and spend some time together and eat some delicious popcorn. And that’s when the buy-in starts to happen. And it’s lit as you know, little tiny. We’re building Lego houses. We’re building Lego houses, Rainbow bridges, one little piece at a time. Can you do this? No. Can you do this? Yeah, can you really? I probably won’t do that. What can you do? Yeah,
Kelli Russell 50:45
I like that. Yeah. So now how do you make sure in your example that then the business of finances doesn’t suffer if you’re expending a lot of effort towards this one part of your life? And I love the stacking. combining multiple goals with that you get a bigger payout. Overall, you’re doing a lot of things at once. It’s beautiful. But then what about that other aspect that might suffer? What do you do there?
Jerry Kuykendall 51:08
Yeah, yeah. So we got to get real with that, like, so. I have a pretty productive exercise that I use with my clients. And that’s the, you know, you can call it the dialectic or the what-if game or whatever it is. But yeah, but it’s the, okay, this is true, I need to earn or I need to work this many hours per week. But what could the opposite be true? Like, if you’re working 70 hours a week, can you work? 60? Right? And if the answer is no, then let’s go to well, what if that was true? What would that look like if it was true? So that gets them opening up their perspective, like taking their concretize beliefs and crumbling a little bit. And now we can civility? Yeah, we can play with their playable and then getting them in touch with what is it because as you know, a lot of people get out of balance, because they don’t know what it is that they actually need. Okay. They know what they want. They know what they think they should have. And that might be tied in around image or whatever. But if we can get them to, like, really dial into, like, what do you need to provide this month, this quarter this year? And are you on track for that? Yeah. Okay, cool. If you’re on track for that, are you overperforming? Yeah, we’re ahead a little bit. Awesome. So anything that you’re ahead of? Can you back off? Just a little bit? I mean, we’re asking for an hour on Sunday. And so it’s getting real. Now if you’re in a situation. And you know, this happens very rarely, to me anyway, in my clientele, where it’s like, no, we’re, we’re in the soup, we need to woo, I got like, I wish I had 26 hours in the day. So I could work. Yeah. And like, if you break it down, it’s like, yeah, that’s really the situation you’re in, bro. Like pivots. pivots are a great example of that. And so, at that point, it’s like, okay, well, there’s a connection opportunity between you and the wife, because you’re in a bit of a survival mode now. So if you guys were both on a raft, and the raft had a hole in it, and there’s one or, and you’re the one whoring, right. And the wife, and you should be on board as, as opposed to what the strategy is, where we’re heading, are we going with the current? Are we, you know, are we paddling against the current? So they’re even then there’s a connection, opportunity, you know, a planning and, and, and connection opportunity? And, and yeah, of course, you run into ideological differences, philosophical differences, and things like that. And again, we just need to keep applying the process, keep applying the principles, and keep building Lego houses. Keep asking what if? That’s awesome.
Kelli Russell 53:30
So as we close up, we’ve, we’ve talked about so many different things. And there are so many different ways that people can work with you. Because some of what you post is about healthy eating. Some of what you post is about how to move your body in the ways that get you the desired results that you want. We spend a lot of time talking about needs and values and how to get the most out like how are you living a life that you love. Yes. And where you’re out of alignment? How do we get you back on track? So you have a lot of tools at your disposal? So how can people work with you? And then how would people know what capacity they would work with you?
Jerry Kuykendall 54:10
Yeah, that’s a very good question. So I recommend that people just take a look at whatever it is in their life that they’re least satisfied with. Okay. And, and from there, that’s, you know, because I have a bunch of different offers, you know, as a business person, you’ve got to appeal to the masses. And, so it’s like, Do you want a weight loss offer? Do you want a fitness offer? Do you want to mobility offer? Do you want to get rid of back pain, whatever it is, because I’ve yet to see a case where whatever you are presenting with isn’t directly tied into those unmet needs, that unfulfilled purpose, the lack of attunement to your core values, so it all
Kelli Russell 54:49
that’s life coaching, so I mean, people could have a session with you just on that. How do I get my life back on track? Yeah, how do I assess my needs and my values just having somebody guide them through that, and handhold them through the process is hugely valuable. So do you ever do something like that?
Jerry Kuykendall 55:07
Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. And in fact, was I’ve worked with a lot of athletes and, and MMA and jujitsu and weird. I’m a fighter, right. And we were just talking about that the other day. And typically what happens is, some will come in for neck pain, or back pain or whatever. But I’ll tell them straight up in the consultation, I was like, look, like you can pay me this money in and we can get rid of that. But it’s, I’m gonna get bored. So your life do you want to, you know, Humor me? What else in your life? Do you want to knock off the list? And that’s kind of how the conversation develops. You know? And then, you know, we just I asked about purpose, I asked about values, I asked about all that. And when someone comes in, wants to lose 50 pounds, and they’ve never gotten in touch with their values and their purpose, and their needs, and what living in alignment is, that’s very attractive to those people. Right. So they all turn into some sort of life coaching program. And I do just have trait of life coaching. You know, but it’s, it seems to me that the portal to entry is in through a different ailment that presents itself that’s more easily diagnosed by
Kelli Russell 56:13
that’s, that’s the check engine light that brings them to you. But I bet that neck pain probably has something to do with the need that is missing and the poor relationship with their wife in the business struggle, and it’s presenting as neck pain, because they’re walking through life like this may carry the weight of the world on their shoulders. Yeah, it’s all connected. So you were nice enough to offer our listeners some really good, like special offers, I might say big. So for those that want 20% off of any six-month or greater coaching package:
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Jerry Kuykendall 57:46
which is attacking underscore truth 44. Okay,
Kelli Russell 57:49
and then on Instagram and Tik Tok and YouTube, just look up biohacking truth. And anything else. Anything else I missed there of how people can reach?
Jerry Kuykendall 58:00
You know, that was wonderful. That was wonderful. Yeah, thank you.
Kelli Russell 58:03
Okay, great, you also included your phone number. So when I post this, I’ll make sure it’s got like all your info so that people can connect with you. And man, there are so many different opportunities to heal their lives and work with you. And I’m excited for whoever wants to step up to that because it’ll be truly life-changing.
Jerry Kuykendall 58:24
Well, I appreciate it. It’s every single experience with a new friend that is it’s really life-altering for me, I just, I can’t get enough of it. Absolutely love it.
Kelli Russell 58:36
Awesome. And um, keep doing what you’re doing. Keep being the truth-teller, the brave person that you are. I admire that so much, I hope to take on more of those attributes myself. And I really appreciate everything that you do and everything that you share and the heart that you share and the time that you take to give to others and to offer information. Really appreciate it. So thank you.
Jerry Kuykendall 58:59
Well, thank you, Kelly. And I, I, I say that exact same about you that the work that you’re doing and the way that you’re showing up to the world, the way that you’re serving the world is helping so many. And you know, whether you know it or not like whether I know it or not, we’re helping people find a new state of being which opens them up to new possibilities, which decreases the likelihood of them being manipulated and lied to. And
Kelli Russell 59:26
I have one last question. What did the suicide mean? Oh, yeah, I forgot. So it just popped into my brain.
Jerry Kuykendall 59:33
Yeah, that’s probably like the most interesting part of it, maybe not for me. But so I kind of didn’t think anything of that. And then as we as I started getting into meditation, and I started doing different kinds of meditation, I was in the contemplative meditation for, you know, the big chunk. And so I was like, Oh, I’m going to ask about that suicide word, right? Because it was so weird how it just came up and just like left, yeah, and so I went into deep meditation and I was And then meditation five minutes and it just got another download and it just said you needed to kill the current version of yourself. And that gave me chills.
Unknown Speaker 1:00:07
I just got chills when you said that. Yes, well,
Jerry Kuykendall 1:00:12
fast forward, I don’t know several months later, and it was another check class and we started going into some of Dr. Carl Jung’s work and, and so I was interested so I got the red book and started you know, getting everything I could get my hands on with Carl Jung. And I remember reading a passage and I remember what book it was but he said pretty much the same thing and I don’t know what it was verbatim but it was pretty much in order for a man to you know, to ascend you know, he must kill the current version of himself and it was like those words and it was just like whoa Wow, yeah. So amazing. That’s what that was.
Kelli Russell 1:00:52
Wow, yeah. So your new marketing will be I help people with suicide and then underneath that you’ll have to go into a lot of explanation about what that means.
Jerry Kuykendall 1:01:07
Maybe a tiktok real down the road
Kelli Russell 1:01:14
that can be the straw that gets you into big trouble.
Jerry Kuykendall 1:01:16
Always on account warning. Always. Yeah, I just appeal six videos that today this morning. I
Kelli Russell 1:01:21
Oh, okay. That’s good to know that that’s what you’re up against when you speak out. Alright, Jerry, we’re gonna sign off. Thank you so much for joining us.
Jerry Kuykendall 1:01:31
It was wonderful.
Kelli Russell 1:01:33
I’ll see you on the socials.
Jerry Kuykendall Okay, yeah, always